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matcha_addict ,

Not very clear to me that this is any more valuable than OG NixOS.

This sounds a lot like the forgejo vs gitea fork. I love the forgejo people but I am yet to see a sufficient differentiator.

matcha_addict ,

Pulling in mainline gitea changes, I did see. But I didn't see any notable differences from gitea. Do you know of any?

matcha_addict ,

Gitea claims to be working on federation too, which puzzles me that forgejo presents it as a differentiator.

matcha_addict OP ,

Does it sync to an open format so I can manage tasks from Linux too?

matcha_addict OP ,

Wow this app is amazing! It doesn't have dependent tasks, but it does have sub tasks, which I guess is close. Thanks for the suggestion! :)

matcha_addict ,

I wish algorithms were opt-in, transparent, and allowed choice (whether by choosing an algorithm over another, or customizing parameters).

If this were the case, I'd have no issue with algos.

matcha_addict ,

Lemmy is kinda close to forums and groups. But I do agree I prefer that format over the Reddit-like format.

matcha_addict OP , (edited )

Does orgmode have sub tasks and dependent tasks?

Edit: looks like it does. Now figuring out if existing apps support this feature.

matcha_addict ,

I like fuzzle as a rofi alternative for wayland. It's made by the same developer as Foot terminal.

matcha_addict OP ,

Every command has its own syntax

I don't consider this a different interface. Where you draw the line is a personal choice, but I'd be happy with a smartphone equivalent where the differences are similar to command line tools having different syntax.

editing files is something completely different

I should have clarified, but by editing files, I don't mean the vim-like full text editor experience. I mean things like appending text to a file with echo >>, or using sed, etc.

A lot of these interfaces are like they are for mostly historical reasons

Yes, legacy baggage exists. This only furthers my point, that things could be even better using the same principles, without legacy baggage.

Termux

I only use Termux out of necessity (app or functionality I can only access via a terminal). If an app with good ergonomics exists, I wouldn't look at Termux. But I would still look at command line on desktop.

matcha_addict OP , (edited )

Termux is awesome, but it is not what I'm looking for. Using Termux lacks the ergonomics of using a terminal on desktop. The keyboard / typing experience is far worse.

matcha_addict OP ,

It may not have to be typing-centric. Maybe the answer is in interfaces that leverage gestures better and in a uniform way, or mixing it with a clever use of buttons.

our devices aren't really being used for file management, tooling, complex work

Only because the experience of doing so is not pleasant like it is on desktop. People would use it for that otherwise.

doesn't even make sense to have a command line

I don't want to have a command line, and I emphasized that in my post. Only something that is similar in its ergonomic enhancement.

matcha_addict OP ,

By not relying on typing speed. Maybe the interface could heavily leverage gestures for example, or auto complete, etc. There are many possibilities.

But also this kind of is the core of my question 😄

matcha_addict OP ,

The keyboard experience is limited by the small size

I have not tried the keyboard you linked. Does it solve this issue?

matcha_addict OP ,

The medium is a touch screen

That's more like a GUI than a CLI. You have input boxes, buttons, sliders, gestures, scrolling, drag and drop, etc, and their different combinations. Many apps do almost the same thing, except giving you a different interface and a different combination of these steps. You listed some of those variations yourself.

How is that the same as the uniformity of the text only interface? That's far more different than differences in syntax, but still text. Two hyphens instead of one hyphen for a CLI flag is a really small difference.

matcha_addict OP , (edited )

Edit: sounds like you meant software keyboard. That is constrained by screen size and hence cannot be as big as I want.

Below is my original comment which assumed you meant a physical keyboard of sufficient size.

If you're carrying around a big keyboard with your phone, you've officially exited mobile phone territory.

Mobile phone is hand-held and pocket sized by definition.

matcha_addict OP ,

Despite the smartphone touch interface being worse for these tasks, the convenience of having a phone always with you and within a couple seconds of reach is a big benefit. It would be really nice if the interface could be made easier

matcha_addict OP ,

Then you're constrained by the screen size, so it's incorrect that you can make it as big as you want.

matcha_addict OP ,

I'm excluding TUI's because you're right, they're pretty different and share some of the ununiformity of GUIs. Still, the command line world remains vast and with that interface you can do a lot, and it is fairly uniform.

there's parameters

That doesn't change the uniformity of the interface. Of course every application will need different parameters. Now do they receive these different parameters via a similar and uniform interface? I say yes. I enter it via keyboard, and for the most part they all use space delimited flags, most of them hyphenated. I'd call that pretty uniform.

To phrase it another way, if all GUIs started using the same names for all parameters, it remains non-uniform interface, and it wouldn't solve 1% of the issue with GUIs.

Out of curiosity, if you don't see the CLI world as more uniform, why do you use it and for what benefit do you prefer it?

matcha_addict OP ,

I addressed the physical keyboard thing one or two comments above, here: https://lemy.lol/comment/9872524

I'm sure it works for you but it's not what I'm looking for

matcha_addict OP ,

As long as the keyboard is constrained by your screen size, the ergonomics in typing speed and error rate are far worse than desktop terminal. If the keyboard is not constrained by screen size, like a sufficiently large physical keyboard, by definition that is no longer a smartphone or mobile phone experience.

matcha_addict OP ,

You're right, thanks for pointing that out. It does seem that almost no one read to the end, and that's on me.

matcha_addict ,

The biggest weakness of using activityPub is it is harder to control compared to rolling out your own incompatible variant.

matcha_addict ,

Can you give examples please?

matcha_addict OP ,

It started working. Was a weird issue. It would return a blank page that just said "sorry." and nothing else. It didn't do it with chrome.

But now it's working fine. ChatGPT still is not, though.

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People are actually on BlueSky

There's now a decent measurement of user numbers (https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/edavis.dev/bskycharts.edavis.dev/bsky_users_total.html) ...

They've got about 1.6M MAUs ...
& 0.8M Weekly unique users & 0.340M Daily.

That's not nothing!

Roughly double mastodon and 60% more than the whole fediverse (by MAUs, see fedidb.org).

Bluesky is quite "international" with large Japanese and Brazilian popltns, and there's real attrition happening IMO.

Still, let the protocol wars begin I suppose?

@fediverse

matcha_addict ,

I agree, but I think it does cross the minds of many. They just still choose not to care.

matcha_addict ,

Searchability is bad.

Growing a new community is hard. I wish people used lemmyverse more often.

Having a fully customizable feed algorithm would be a killer feature.

matcha_addict ,

This certainly helps, but I think is not enough. If I go to the "All" feed, I get everything indiscriminately. I wish there was some in between mechanism. I don't claim to have the answer.

This doesn't address searchability also.

matcha_addict ,

Feed Algorithms aren't inherently wrong imo. The problem with typical feed algorithms is two things:

  • no user choice or control: the user cannot opt out of the algorithm, and cannot customize the algorithm
  • lack of transparency: there's little to no visibility how exactly the algorithm operates.

The fediverse Goodreads alternative: Bookwyrm ( bookwyrm.world )

If you are interested in sharing book recommendations with other, or just manage your books, then bookwyrm is great for that! The .world team also has a bookwyrm instance up and running at bookwyrm.world with a community here on lemmy as well at !bookwyrm. Read Ruuds original post about it here: https://lemmy.world/post/5904792...

matcha_addict ,

I'm happy to read reviews on goodreads and bookwyrm, but write reviews only on bookwyrm.

matcha_addict ,

By free software you mean the FSF or OSI definition. Many people won't care, and some of us actively are against corporate leech on free software, which this license helps with.

matcha_addict ,

Maybe would be easy to fork it

matcha_addict ,

Does the fediverse need to maintain its "soul"? As long as it preserves user choice and corporate resistance, the rest isn't required and can be maintained in those specific instances.

matcha_addict ,

Venture capital backed project. That's enough for me to avoid when non-corporate options exist. Tired of for-profit corporations ruin open source.

There's tangible reasons to avoid it, but the VC thing is enough for me.

matcha_addict ,

Given they mention arch and gentoo, I suppose they intend it as a daily driver / desktop.

matcha_addict ,

By your logic, you cannot dismiss the project for being a personal one. Only if it fails, is it dismissable.

matcha_addict ,

Didn't say you can't whatever you want. I said "by your logic". That was assuming you don't contradict your own logic, but of course you can otherwise :)

matcha_addict ,

They've already made it clear what they mean by federation, and it has none of the benefits of real federation like in lemmy or mastodon.

matcha_addict ,

The PDS, in many ways, fulfills a simple role: it hosts your account and gives you the ability to log in, it holds the signing keys for your data, and it keeps your data online and highly available. Unlike a Mastodon instance, it does not need to function as a full-fledged social media service. We wanted to make atproto data hosting—like web hosting—into a fairly simple commoditized service. The PDS’s role has been limited in scope to achieve this goal. By limiting the scope, the role of a PDS in maintaining an open and fluid data network has become all the more powerful.

https://docs.bsky.app/blog/self-host-federation

And:

In the Bluesky app, we hardcode our in-house moderation to provide a strong foundation that upholds our community guidelines. We will continue to uphold our existing policies in the Bluesky app, even as this new architecture is made available. With the introduction of labelers, users will be able to subscribe to additional moderation services on top of the existing foundation of our in-house moderation.

https://docs.bsky.app/blog/blueskys-moderation-architecture

You'll see a lot more on their site. But the point is, this is more about a "distributed infrastructure" than federated control. So much still has to go through their central servers. Hosting your own server has little benefits. Moderation is still very centralized, even after their planned features for moderation.

matcha_addict ,

Yes I did, and that's a very good point. What sudo does not allow me to do is grant a user access to modify or read specific files or directories. I can get both that and access to executing specific programs using a users/groups permission system.

Another thing I don't like about sudo is that you end up using the same password for everything, which is also the password for logging in. Putting higher privileges behind my same login password opens me to a single point of failure.

matcha_addict ,

Only the root user has access to system updates on my system currently.

What does rpm-ostree update do exactly? Does it execute the update? Or is that the rebase command only?

matcha_addict ,

I see. I have little knowledge, but I bet that the "root privileges" part of this process is the reboot. Upon rebooting, system updates are applied from the new image via some privileged process.

That's pretty neat. Unfortunately I haven't ventured deeply enough into that type of system yet (was it called immutable distro or something?). I use gentoo, which doesn't support this out of the box.

Thanks for showing me something new!

matcha_addict ,

I haven't really come into any issues on lemmy. Can you point to an example?

matcha_addict ,

Like what? What did it solve that activitypub refused to?

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