These mods on their power-trips really need to stop

I just got banned from [email protected], which seems to be the biggest Linux community out there.

For context, it was about the recent Vaxerski incident, where I shared my personal opinion about the whole gender stuff. I wasn't even trying to be hurtful against anyone, just shared my 2 cents in an already ongoing conversation.

Sure, ine might not agree with my opinion, and I don't agree with others, and this is totally normal. But at least we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else... without having a mod intervening into the conversation

So to all the mods out there: Your personal opinion does not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don't align with yours!

shrugal , (edited )
@shrugal@lemm.ee avatar

I think the ban was a little too harsh, but removing that comment was the right decision.

I also see a few problems with your "your highness" comparison:

  1. "Your highness" is an official title, not a personal designation. Its proper usage depends heavily on the context, e.g. the perceived social rank and status, how well people know each other, if it's a formal or informal conversation, and so on. Pronouns have none of that, you just use the one people identify as and that's it.

  2. It implies that people just pick whatever term they can come up with to mess with others or to mock them. People don't choose a pronoun lightly, they usually think about it a lot and it's an important personal decision. They also usually pick one of the common pronouns, so it's really not hard to just use it.

Making quick logical comparisons regarding social norms is a very tricky thing in my experience. There are many things going on that we aren't fully aware of all of the time, and getting it wrong can hurt people badly.

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

I shared my personal opinion about the whole gender stuff.

Keep your shitty opinions that don't concern others to yourself. Seems like people are not interested

shrugal , (edited )
@shrugal@lemm.ee avatar

Downvote it to oblivion then, but disagreeing or not being interested is no reason to remove a post.

Edit: Saw the post. I think the removal was valid, but the ban was a little harsh. And not being interested had nothing to do with it.

Boiglenoight ,

Just say they. Not he/she. They. End of argument.

ad_on_is ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

Well, my @programming.dev account got banned!

I guess, I'll just have to shut up, and just keep posting memes. 🤷🏻

Catoblepas ,

Thanks for telling on yourself so I can block this account too. Please continue replying with any more alts you have so I don’t miss any.

ad_on_is ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

wait, you can block my account even if you're not on lemmy.world?

A_A ,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

Hi adONis,
a "block" is not a "ban". e.i. : if I have account ABC and from that ABC account I block user 123 then, from ABC I cannot read anything posted by 123 but I would be able to read 123's posts from my other accounts (and so would anybody else).

ad_on_is ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

oh ok, I thought the previous OP was some kind of mod on one of the instances I had signed up for.

thx for clarifying 👍

Catoblepas ,

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/c751f32b-caec-45dc-a800-85c690c880d6.jpeg

spujb ,

sorry buddy but you did transphobia. whether or not you are in the mood to label it as such that’s what it was.

i have beef with power tripping mods as much as you but this is in no way an example of that.

edit: also it was a three day ban? i have seen folks permabanned for similar. be thankful you are allowed to return, look inwards and do some self examination instead of complaining.

CrayonRosary ,

Welcome to my block list. I guess I'm power tripping.

fartington ,

Maybe truth social is more appropriate for you.

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@programming.dev avatar

I got banned there too for not being any kind of phobic 😥

intensely_human ,

What you fail to understand is that in cyberspace, people can do whatever they want to do.

You say mods don’t have this or that right, but rights don’t enter into it. They have that power, and they use that power.

ML is a brittle place based on a lie. Expecting them to behave in a fair way toward opinions was extremely naive of you.

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@programming.dev avatar

I've heard about them, but I thought this was only in (political) communities I don't even participate in.

yuki2501 ,
@yuki2501@lemmy.world avatar

Okay you're being a bigot. You know why? Because people aren't demanding to be called "your highness". They are just asking to be called with their preferred probouns. Putting neo pronouns aside, it's not a heavy burden to be called he / she / it / they.

And this is the internet! The are no bodies, only usernames. Why do you care if a person claiming to be a girl demands to be called a she? Oh my fucking god,what a scandal! The oppression imposed upon you, a free citizen, demanding that you have to use a pronoun different than "he" on the internet! The world is doomed! 😱 /s

What you're really asking for is the "right" to harass trans people (by misgendering them) because you don't like them and abhor the idea of women having something extra down there. (it's not like they're plotting to force sex you, just leave them be, okay?) Not only that, you're so obsessed with hating them that you went out of your way to post your biased opinion ON A LINUX FORUM.

You're being a transphobic asshole, and the mods were perfectly right in banning you.

Just accept that there are different people in the world. If you have a problem with that, maybe it's you who needs professional help.

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@programming.dev avatar

Lol, that LINUX FORUM was literally about that topic. And I just participated in an already ongoing conversation which I got caught up on.

yuki2501 ,
@yuki2501@lemmy.world avatar

Even then, you're still a bigot. Dude, grow up and touch some grass.

marathon ,

Totally agree, opinion shouldn't enter into such decisions. It's emotional immaturity to do so.

elbarto777 ,

You lost me at "immaturity" here.

marathon ,

Why is that? Many don't have it or the credibility to determine what's accurate or not.

elbarto777 ,

Because you don't call grownups immature. It's dumb.

marathon ,

Well, some alleged grownups are exactly that. Especially ones that believe our western propaganda without critical thinking skills.

elbarto777 ,

What you describe may be undesirable behaviors, but that's not immaturity.

Lack of critical thinking, stubbornness, indoctrination, ignorance, whatever you want to call it. Not immaturity.

B1naryB0t ,

Just in case the mod responsible is here in the room with us, just wanted to say thank you.

thegreekgeek ,
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https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/806ed529-b2ca-4221-ac5c-1be1b86cfe23.webp

missingno ,
@missingno@kbin.social avatar

Refusing to treat people with the barest minimum of respect is not a "personal opinion", it's behavior that no space should tolerate.

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@programming.dev avatar

barest minimum of respect

what's that even supposed to mean? If I talk to someone like I do with everyone else, without changing my tone/or opinion based on whatever race/religion/identity they go by, then I certainly am treating everyone with the same amount of respect.

We've lived for millennia now, and I don't recall a single book where a person of the past was mentioned in addition with their pronoun, in the sense of "____ was a writer/artist/mathematician in the late 1800s who went by they/them"... etc.

We're introducing unnecessary complications into an already complicated society we live in.

ZeroCool , (edited )
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Have you ever wondered why that is? LGBTQ and non-binary people existed in the 19th century too, they just weren't safe to live as they chose to publicly. And when it was mentioned in literature it was typically couched in euphemisms of the period. I understand that you'd clearly prefer all these people go back in the closet rather than be inconvenienced by having to acknowledge their existence, but are you really daft enough to think this is something dreamed up in the 2010s? For fuck sake...

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@programming.dev avatar

ok, then what about the 16th century, 5th, 2nd, 100 B.C, 200 B.C?

ZeroCool ,
@ZeroCool@slrpnk.net avatar

Yes, homosexuality and non-gender conforming individuals have existed throughout human history and across all cultures with varying social attitudes toward them. You know, you're quite opinionated for someone with no demonstrable understanding of the topic, but I suppose that explains a lot.

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@programming.dev avatar

You're talking as if transgenderism and homosexuality (and their problems) emerged in the 19th century. That's why I asked you about the other centuries?

Pederasty was a socially acceptable thing back in 600 b.c amongst the Etruscans, for example.

ZeroCool ,
@ZeroCool@slrpnk.net avatar

I neither said nor implied any such thing. You brought up books written in the 1800s which is why my initial reply specifically focused on the 19th century. You're either dumb or you're here in bad faith, but based on your last sentence, being a weak attempt to shift the conversation from LGBTQ and non-binary people to pederasts, which is straight out of the right-wing playbook, it's safe to assume the latter. So we're done here.

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@programming.dev avatar

lol, right-wing playbook... dude, I'm anything but right-wing

elbarto777 , (edited )

Man. I really wanted to support you, but you're making it very difficult.

You're offended by an accusation of being right-wing instead of listening to what they (the person) haslve to say. In turn, you just linked gay people to pedophiles - perhaps unintentionally, but damn, man. That's actually bigot talk. Now, I'm not saying you are. But again, take a step back and reflect in how you approach these themes. Otherwise you'll be making more harm than good.

JaymesRS ,
@JaymesRS@literature.cafe avatar

This wiki page, not itself as an original source but as a collection of original papers in the references for you to peruse at your leisure is a great starting point. But your question is a bit like the “Did you know Aristotle never said ‘Thank You’? Mostly because he didn’t speak English.” Joke. You are expecting modern accommodations and language in texts from a different era that would have used unfamiliar forms or language like ancient Egypt that had a 3rd gender “sekhet”.

JaymesRS ,
@JaymesRS@literature.cafe avatar

What’s up with people changing their names after marriage or adoption too‽

Why does everyone refer to her as Marie Curie instead of Maria Skłodowska? It’s just soo unnecessarily complicated to have to use a different name than the one assigned at birth.

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@programming.dev avatar

And yet no one is referring to Kim as Kim Kardashian West, but still Kim Kardashian.

JaymesRS , (edited )
@JaymesRS@literature.cafe avatar

Because that’s how she’s told people she prefers to be called, that’s how she still brands her social media.

People respecting somebody else’s choice for how to refer to them is literally the example that is the worst for your argument.

BatrickPateman ,

lol. The disconnect.

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