Decision of Next Os

I was Nobara user, then I am using Fedora right now. I want to use things like Hyprland etc. and ya know, Its damn cool to say I am using arch btw. So I've decided to use Arch Linux. But everyone says its always breaking and gives problems. That's because of users, not OS.. right? I love to deal with problems but I don't want to waste my time. Is Arch really problemful OS? Should I use it? I know what to do with setup/ usage, the hardness of Arch is not problem for me but I am just concerned about the mindset "Arch always gets broken".

HumanPerson ,

I would recommend trying other distros in a VM to see how you like them. Arch gets updates really fast, so stuff does break. A point release distro will also have updates that break them, but they will be at scheduled times and usually the old one is supported for a while. Also, fedora has hyprland as a package. It may be rpmfusion, but you should be able to install with dnf install hyprland.

Tumbleweeds5 ,

I was an Arch user for 7 years and it never broke on me. Started with Gnome, than changed to XFCE after a couple of years and on my last year using it, I had no DE, only a WM. So multiple configurations, all rock solid. And I learned a ton in the process. Highly recommend using it.

randomaside ,

My vote is universal Blue and its spins like Bluefin or Bazzite

Nibodhika ,

Arch doesn't break on its own, but Arch is Arch, which means you might get an update where a post on the news says "btw, if you have changes to X file, your system won't boot" or something. People don't read the news before installing updates, but that's also fine because I also don't read them and have been using Arch for over a decade, and my system never broke on its own (to be entirely fair, one time back in 2007 I think, my system stopped showing jpg wallpapers because one library hadn't been updated, the fix was to update my system the next day).

Also Arch is not hard to install, it's labor intensive, but anyone with minimal Linux knowledge should be able to do it (and probably ask themselves why they're being forced to do that).

Finally, Arch is not "cool", lots of cringe people have ruined it and sometimes saying you use Arch sounds similar to saying you run Kali depending on the context.

Long story short, if you're happy with what you have keep using it, I'm fairly confident you can get hyprland and everything else working on whatever distro you're currently using. But if you're determined to use Arch you should be fine too.

bitahcold OP ,

I cannot say I'm an experienced Linux user. Too young for it. And the main reasons that why im hopping on Arch are new experiences and different feelings.The arch is "cool" thing was just a joke. I think so about the Kali thing.

Finally, I wanted to use Arch for different OS experienced and some new, different things. I was concerned about the thing i have explained at post, but the previous comments about it made relaxed. Now, Im decided to Arch. I like its customisable, labor-needing nature. Thanks for your detailed and helping text. Have a nice day.

utopiah ,

Honestly I feel like if you can't give a proper definition of what an OS or a distribution is in a single sentence, then stick to whatever is BOTH popular and matching your standards, both moral and economical.

bitahcold OP ,

I can say I don't have enough experince to say anything about different distros. Its my first year and I didn't changed OSs too much. I want to get new experiences and different types of things. And I liked that labor-needy and fully-controlable vibe of Arch. And just decided to Arch but I was worried about sths. Thanks to previous replies, I understood what I have to. Thanks. Have a good day.

Shrexios ,
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@bitahcold @utopiah

If you're going to distro hop, do it, don't let people tell you you're wrong. I've learned how to set up and use a variety of Linux and BSD systems by distro hopping. But, I think maybe you should set up one system that is solid and then distro hop in virtual machines using VirtualBox. It works well and often can handle things like Haiku and Amiga type OSes as well. Just for fun, of course.

utopiah ,

It's a learning process, even decades later you will still learn about differences so don't worry about it. If you do want to learn efficiently IMHO have notes, and ideally share them with others who might be able to help you dig deeper. Enjoy the journey, it's a worthwhile one IMHO.

YIj54yALOJxEsY20eU ,

So your only motivation is to claim you are cool? If you don't want to waste time, don't hop distros for no good reason. You can have a top teir experience with wayland on Fedora. It's not like the software on Fedora is significantly behind Arch. We just wait for Arch users to find all the bugs :P

bitahcold OP ,

I mean if the OS has problems with in it chronically or not as waste of time. As i said, i love to deal with any problems for experience. And, that was joke, im not hopping to Arch for the cool tag. Just, I want new experiences and learning about Linux much more. Thanks for your reply. Have a good day.

Presi300 ,
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If you know what you're getting into, arch can be a great experience, I'd say give it a try!

bitahcold OP ,

Its looking good for me. And i like its gaming performance. The main reason for changing os is new experiences. I want Arch but the quotes "Arch is easy to get broken" yk was making me worry about it. But the previous comments helped me for that mindset. Im decisive for hopping on Arch. Thanks for reply, have a nice day.

Maxxus ,

My experience, ymmv, the most work went into configuring everything you need or want the first time. The right drivers for your graphics card, for your webcam, wifi, acpi multimedia keys, etc. Though I don’t use a gnome/kde/DE, so some of that may automagically work for you. After that though, updates don’t tend to break the things you’ve already fixed.

One time in 5 years the names of some acpi keys changed, and I had to update the script, and that wasn’t really arch’s fault. Also Google did a funny thing with their monospaced font that xft couldn’t handle, again not an arch specific thing.

And here’s a hot take for you, I only update about every 18 months. That’s usually how long it takes Discord to become binarily incompatible with installed libraries. Update the keyring first and never a problem.

SolarPunker ,

Arch user here. If you'd like to improve your skills and maintain your perfectly fitted distro Arch is a great pick, if you want something that just works forver without learning stuff, try something else; I also don't recomend Arch-based distros for non-Arch user (manjaro, endeavour) since you'll break these soon or later. Would be nice instead waiting for a good immutable Arch-based distro.
Atomic desktops go brrr

meekah ,
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Ive walked a similar path as you, I think. I ended up just trying arch, because I was district hopping anyways, using 2 separate drives in my PC. I'd just nuke the system that I thought was worse, and Nobara survived quite a few other distros, but it finally lost to arch. I do have some issues, but nothing completely bricking my system, at least during the month I've been using it. The AUR and Arch documentation is frankly amazing, so I do think it's worth it personally. Although I am thinking about trying Debian with the nix package manager when I can't wait for Debian packages to update. But this time Nobara will be nuked lol

You should set up your partitions in a way that allows you to keep user data despite the system breaking, no matter the distro. I think the Nobara setup just did that by default, but arch doesn't necessarily. Also watch out when installing arch using archinstall, the partition layout suggested by it didn't work for me and my friend due to an off by one error, resulting in slightly overlapping partitions. Not sure if they fixed that in the meantime, but doing it manually isn't too hard either.

bloodfart ,

I mean, try it. Sometimes you can’t tell if something is the os or the users till you do.

bitahcold OP ,

Thanks to previous comments, understood the thing I was wrong and decided to use Arch relaxedly. Now I'm using Arch. Thanks. Have a nice day.

cerement ,
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(NeXT is something completely different)

anyways … the problem isn’t with Arch itself, it’s users randomly dipping into AUR thinking that the same level of safety checks that apply to the official repository also apply to the user repository – if you stick with the official repository or doublecheck an AUR package before running some random script off StackExchange, you’ll be fine

and if you want Arch with a little more polish, start off with EndeavourOS to get your feet wet and decide if you want to move to a pure Arch system at that point …

LeFantome ,

Use what you like. In answer to your question though, my experience has been that Arch is super stable. I have had fewer problems with it than maybe any other distro before.

I update very frequently, multiple times per week. There is almost always something to update. Most of the time it is just before I wrap up. Sometimes it is while I am reading something. Often, it is just as I sit down ( if I have the time, I sometimes look into new features that have arrived ). According to Lemmy, this behaviour should lead to my system being down all the time and me getting nothing done. My system has been rock solid and productive.

Now it may sound like a lot of admin but it is a mindless one line command to update and it just works. For me, it is fast, unobtrusive, and reliable. I for sure spent more time looking for missing packages on other distros. I spent a lot of time finding ways to run newer versions on other distros. I spent a lot more time dealing with problems caused by multiples application sources on other distros. Like the reading example, I mostly update while I do other things so it is not actually taking any time.

I pretty much never see the need to use Flatpak on Arch for example. I for sure am not doing anything like PPAs. I do use the AUR heavily.

IMHO, Linux works best when everything is managed by the package manager. While I have never used Nix, Arch is the only system that has made that possible for me.

Well, I should be honest on this last point. I have added the CacheyOS repos to one system ( it is actually EndeavourOS but essentially Arch ). From those repos I run a binary pre-release of the new System76 COSMIC desktop. The same package is available in the AUR but would build from source there so the CacheyOS repo is just a convenience. Obviously this system is just recreational so I am taking more risk with the packages I am using. Still, other than the incomplete status of COSMIC, this system has also been rock solid. It is in my living room ( as opposed to office ) and so I use it quite a lot every day.

There is one thing that bugs me about Arch systems. If you do not update for a while, you will get two problems.

1 - you will likely get multiple packages which have been replaced or duplicated ( multiple sources for NodeJS as an example ) and you will be asked for each one which you want to use. The system will be fine but it is a bit annoying if there are a bunch at once.

2 - New GPG keys may have been added and you may have a chicken and egg problem where you cannot move ahead without installing the new keyring but do not have the right certs to do that. You can resolve this quickly but it sucks the first time it happens and you will be Googling. It is my number one complaint about Arch.

I have only run into the second problem above for systems that I have not updated in months but I have run into it so, again, I want to be honest. That said, I have had Arch systems that laid dormant for years which I was able bring right up to date. I had a laptop that was powered off for three years. I had to refresh the keyring and the update was gigs in size but it was completely up-to-date and solid as a rock at the end of it ( same update command that I use every day - “yay -Syu” ).

Ok, one other issue…

I use the AUR extensively including to install proprietary software like IntelliJ, Rider, Microsoft Edge, Postman, and BurpSuite. As a result, occasionally I get whacked with a massive update. I did not update my main system for two weeks and got hit with a 14 Gb update! That can be mitigated though.

Mostly I update with yay or paru which includes everything from the AUR. When hit with a big update, you can use pacman instead which updates just the stuff in the core repos ( not the AUR ). So you can put all the AUR stuff off until a better time. Nothing in the core repos is that big.

With yay, you can also select which individual packages to update. So, you can skip stuff like IDEA ( about 5 gigs on its own I think ) or something that is going to take ages to compile from source.

I prefer package management from the command-line. There is pacseek for a nice TUI. If you really want a GUI, both pamac-gtk3 and octopi are in the AUR.

While I have some pure Arch systems, I mostly use EndeavourOS these days. It is faster to install and I like the defaults, including that it installs yay by default ( providing out-of-the-box access to the AUR ). EOS used to default to Xfce. It uses KDE 6 now. The online installer gives you quite a few desktops to choose from. I do not thin that Hyprland is one of them but it can be installed easily after.

Anyway, I can only speak from my own experience but Arch does not break on me and I push it pretty hard. I keep saying I want to try something like Debian as the base with Arch in a Distrobox so I still get access to all the packages. I just have not bothered yet because Arch ( or EOS ) works so well for me.

KindaABigDyl ,
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NixOS

thejevans ,
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I just switched from Nobara to NixOS on my gaming PC. I've had NixOS on my laptop for almost a year and decided I'm comfortable enough with it to use it full time, and it works great for gaming.

Before NixOS, I was a die-hard Arch user. The only reasons it would break were because I was trying a bunch of stuff from AUR to play around with Wayland + Nvidia when that was brand new, or when I would forget to update for a while.

It breaking was primarily due to me tinkering around and not fully undoing those changes. Now I can do that with no fear on NixOS, and it's fabulous.

YIj54yALOJxEsY20eU ,

Nix is the only compelling distro for anyone not on an LTS distribution imo. With first class wayland support coming for nvidia, I'm going to be nixing like 5 machines.

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